Remember the wrong date?

05 Nov
Remember, remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason, why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot

So in the year 1605, Fawkes plotted with associates the dastedly deed to demolish a one-time reverential building.  How strange we celebrate by burning a villain, hmm, not very humanitarian in this politically correct era.  The Hague and Human Rights Act would have something to say about this.  In fact I am surprised that Europe has not already banned it.

My query is this, as with anything that is historically day date specific, when nations, politics and religion switched from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian Calendar, which date are we celebrating?  November 5th 1605, is that the Gregorian date or Julian date?  Should we technically be celebrating this cremation on the 15th?

This throws up another query. There is an odd grave plate in Norwich Cathedral for Elizabeth Bacon, born 13th April 1736 died 20th February 1736.  It is put down to the changes between calendars but everything I have read has marked the difference as a few days, nowhere near a month.

 curiouser and curiouser.


Posted by on November 5, 2013 in Uncategorized


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13 responses to “Remember the wrong date?

  1. Bushka

    November 5, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    🙄 Leaves me even more confused….:roll: especially Elizabeth Bacon! 😉
    Shall we set off a few ‘fireworks’? :lalala: Hugs! xx


    • amgroves

      November 6, 2013 at 4:54 pm

      Sometimes my brain wanders into areas I wished it didn’t! LOL


  2. foxhat

    November 5, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I looked it up on wikipedia. Apparently 2nd September 1752 was followed by 14th September 1752

    I didn’t know this though:-

    What isn’t so widely known is a second change which the Act introduced – as named in the first part of the Act’s title. The Act changed the first day of the year (or, if you want to impress your friends with a new word, the Supputation of the Year).

    Prior to 1752 in England, the year began on 25 March (Lady Day). Lady Day is one of the Quarter Days, which are still used in legal circles. The Quarter Days divide the year in quarters (hence the name :-), and the Quarter Days are: Lady Day (25 March), Midsummers Day (24 June), Michaelmas Day (29 September), and Christmas Day (25 December).

    So, in England, the day after 24 March 1642 was 25 March 1643. The Act changed this, so that the day after 31 December 1751 was 1 January 1752. As a consequence, 1751 was a short year – it ran only from 25 March to 31 December.

    This must have caused immense confusion at the time!

    I wonder if it made all earlier sundials wrong?


    • amgroves

      November 6, 2013 at 4:58 pm

      Wow Foxhat, that was really interesting. I knew that the ‘new’ year used to begin 1st April but the change brought about the “April Fools Day” tradition, but I did not know about it being Lady Day. I was familiar with the quarter days they have traditionally been the dates when tenant farmers paid their rents to the Laird/Lord, and I believe they are used to divide the year in legal terms.

      Love the idea of gardneers having to ‘re-set’ their sundials!!


  3. la_spice

    November 5, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Yikes …. soooooooooooooooo perhaps I’m still only 34 years old? Oh go on let’s say 44 :>>


    • amgroves

      November 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm

      You’re only as old as the man you feel :p 😀 :p


      • la_spice

        November 6, 2013 at 5:26 pm

        Oh dear ….. sore point!!!! 🙄


      • amgroves

        November 6, 2013 at 5:42 pm

        Cuddle your grandson 😀


      • la_spice

        November 6, 2013 at 5:56 pm

        Ah …. that’s a brilliant idea ….. I already feel 9 again!!!!! :>>


  4. joebangles

    November 5, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Very interesting and Foxhat’s comment makes it even more so.


  5. gillyk

    November 5, 2013 at 4:31 pm




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